It seems that Many of the Chinese consider Nanyue Kingdom of Trieu Day/Zhou Tao as the Vietnamese state. It means that the Guangdong and Guangxi provinces today should be historical territories of Vietnam?
Ang Chi Siang Lived in Vietnam, Wife is Vietnames 9y
Where did Vietnamese originate from?
This is not going to make a lot of my Vietnamese friends happy here, I’m afraid.
I suggest all Vietnamese readers read it with an open mind.
Most people are only willing to consider the history of Vietnam up to the Nam Viet Kingdom era which was established in 204 BC.
In 196 BC Nam Viet started paying obeisance to China and thus became a vassal state and that is where most people stop.
The Nam Viet territory spanned what is now known as Guangdong, Guangxi, and Yunan province of China, which also explains why the Vietnamese language shares a lot of terms and words with Cantonese language. An even more stark similarity is the family name of Vietnamese.
Just for reference, below are the top family name of Vietnamese.
- Nguyễn is 阮 and is common among Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, and in Chinese.
- Trần is 陳 (Chen or Tan) and is the top 10 most common family name among Chinese.
- Lê is 黎 ranked 262 in the book of Most Popular Chinese Family Name
- Phạm is 范 and ranked 46
- Hoàng,Huỳnh,Voòng is 黃 and ranked 96 (top 10 mainland Chinese Family Name)
- Phan is 潘and ranked 43
Ultimately, where did the Vietnamese people originated from before this? How did Nam Viet became a kingdom? Was there any other kingdoms before this?
Unfortunately history records (as far as I was only able to research into) only traced up to An Dương Vương /安陽王.
An Dương Vương’s real name was Thục Phán/蜀泮. He was a prince from the Early State of Shu /古蜀 of China [Cổ Thục, không phải Hán Thục của Lưu Bi, Quan Công và Trương phi sau này]. The people of Early State of Shu was indigenous to the Chengdu Plain in the western part of Si Chuan[ Tứ Xuyên] Basin.
The Early State of Shu was conquered by Emperor Qin Shi Huang’s/秦始皇 [Tần Thủy Hoàng] army in 316BC and that was the end of the Early State of Shu. However, the survivals and descendants of Early State of Shu setup Âu Lạc/甌雒 Kingdom in the north of modern day Hanoi.
The Âu Lạc Kingdom was destroyed by the Nam Viet Kingdom.
Therefore, the modern ancestor of Vietnamese can be traced to Nam Viet Kingdom when the form was destroyed and its people assimilated into Nam Viet. So who were the Nam Viet people?
During the conquest into the Early State of Shu by the Qin’s army, Emperor Qin’s army was led by General Ren Xiao/任嚣 [Nhâm Hiếu] and Zhao Tuo/赵佗/Triệu Đà. When Emperor Qin died in 210BC, China fell into chaos with rebellion and uprising throughout the Qin’s unified China.
General Ren Xiao [Nhâm Hiếu] (who led the army to conquer the Early State of Shu) by then was given the Commander of the Southern Sea and was in charge of the newly acquired territory. However he was also suffering from poor health and during his dying hours summoned Triệu Đà to his bed.
In his dying words, Ren Xiao told Triệu Đà that the land had natural strategic defences which can repel most invaders, and could form the last defence against the rebellion and uprising in the mainland.
Triệu Đà was then trusted with the burden of the Commander of the Southern Sea.
However, Triệu Đà did not carry out the orders to resist the rebellion in mainland. Instead, he killed the governor and officials and proclaimed Emperor and the Triệu Dynasty/Nhà Triệu/家赵 was born.
In 196 BC, Triệu Đà paid obeisance to Emperor Han Gao Zu/漢高祖 of the Han Dynasty [Hán Cao Tổ. Lưu Bang] and officially became a vassal of China.
Therefore, strictly speaking, Vietnamese ancestry can be traced back to both the Nam Viet as well as Early State of Shu [Cổ Thục] when their people were assimilated into Nam Viet. Nam Viet consisted of people from the Han Chinese and the Hundred Tribes [Bách Việt].
The similarity in languages, in culture, and family names, and the connection to the Old Shu Kingdom all point to the fact that the Vietnamese ancestry is from Chinese.
I know this is unpopular, so please fire away your volley at me!
Edit:
I know some Vietnamese would think that their language has influence from India and the Khmer but the Nam Viet written language was not influence at all by evidence of not adopting Brahmic script (curly text). As for spoken language, I do not find Vietnamese resembles any of the Indian languages at all.
And suggestion that Vietnamese people were migration from the South from Malaysia and Indonesia has no substantial historical evidence, or genetic basis (Vietnamese is more Chinese looking than Malayan looking, or Indian looking)
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